Only mitigation option is separation
Credit: Neil Andersen, Blacksmith Shop Rd., Falmouth.
What makes a person who has been in the alternative energy business for over thirty years, shut down his home building business (Energy Star certified), spend most of his time, as well as his savings, while racking up mileage traveling to different communities, feel compelled to “bad mouth” certain alternative energy projects?
The answer is an improperly sited wind turbine.
I live in Falmouth where there are 3 wind turbines. All are 1.65MW, 400’ tall with 135’ blades that weigh 7-1/2 tons.
One of the turbines is 1320’ from my house.
The problem is not wind power. The problem has to do with size and distance. Any structure of this size, especially with massive moving parts, does not belong 1320’ from anyone’s house. Nevertheless, it is there. All that I can do is tell my experiences, while at the same time hope to educate the public.
Picture a 747 jumbo jet spinning around, 200’ in the air. Add in high, gusty winds. The 747 wants to spin as fast as a pinwheel. Instead, by tilting and twisting the wings, the 747 is forced to spin slower. Similarly, this is how wind turbines capture the energy in the wind.
The forces involved in this transfer of energy (besides the electrical energy), are very dynamic. High, gusty winds verses 23 ton turbine blades!
Experiencing these tremendous forces is frightening. And, yes, it can get jet engine loud.
But the most distressing and harmful thing about the turbine is the constant and repetitive low frequency pressure pulses that are generated during the downswing motion of each blade (every 1-1/2 seconds). This action forces out a pressure wave, which in turn creates a wake in the air, much like that in the water behind a boat with a motor. It is when in this wake that the effects from the turbine are the worst.
Try this: Hold your arm out the car window as you travel down the road. Every 1-1/2 seconds, alternate your palm from vertical to horizontal. Feel, hear and sense what happens. Next close all the windows, except leave one in the back open 3”. See how long you can stand that repetitive pulsing sensation. Regarding the low frequency part, I’m sure all of us have experienced the very low base tones blasting from an approaching car, most times unaware of where the car is. All you hear is the sound. It is piercing.
It seems to be coming from everywhere.
Hopefully the similarities mentioned above will give the reader a slight indication of what a turbine produces.
Over and over and over. Pound….Pound…..Pound. It never stops. Windows, nor walls, earplugs nor noise machines can stop it. This pulse has a unique ability to travel very far, as it bounces off of everything. It has recently been proven that the intensity of the pulse is higher inside a home.
Pound…Pound….Pound. Soon you can’t sleep. Frequent headaches appear. Heart palpitations. And what is that strange pressure in my head and ears? Heart rate and blood pressure increase (The pulse actually mimics the heart beat-this is a terrible feeling!) You begin to have problems with balance, and irregularities with hearing.
Pound…Pound…Pound. It never goes away. Not only is it unhealthy, it is like torture.
All these symptoms and others were experienced by the members of my family, as well as numerous other families in the neighborhood. Some experienced these symptoms within days of the start of the turbines. Others more slowly. For me it took almost 2 months. But the results have been devastating-physically, mentally and financially.
After nearly 1 year of turbine abuse that resulted in a visit to the emergency room (insomnia, dehydration and chronic bronchitis), and in a desperate and passionate outburst before our Select Board, the turbine was ordered to be shut off when wind speeds reached 23 mph That was last March, 2011.
The turbine has been off now since early November, (due to a vote of support from town meeting members), while we wait on “mitigation options”. Except for the ringing in my ears and sensitivity to loud or sudden noises, all the symptoms have gone away.
One certain thing that we have learned is that the only possible and successful mitigation option is separation. It is very simple. These industrial size wind turbines do not belong anywhere near residential areas. There can be no compromise.
Please consider this first hand personal experience when planning and regulating alternative energy projects for your community. 400’ wind turbines in residential neighborhoods is not the way to do it, believe me, please, especially when there are better options.
Energy conservation leads a long list of non-invasive methods that must be pursued in this fight for self-sustainability, and against the problems of global warming.
36 comments:
Good morning JLL.
Hope you are enjoying some warmth.
We had a chance to talk to a zoning committee person. It appears that the committee is on the right track with determining a wind overlay area.
Our town should never have to mitigate giving up the whole town to industrial wind.
Make it three miles from the River. Limit it to the number of megawatts needed only for our community.
Fair enough and not have to give up our sanity for the sake of long island.
Also, if anyone who lives in the wind district closer than a safe 1.2 miles, then the mitigation should be the developer buying out home and property.
Thank you to the people on the committee who care about all of the people in our community.
How can mistakes be rectified? Tom Rienbeck gave the Cape view shed away in exchange for a clock repair, paint and underground wires at the lighthouse and fixing a fence around a cemetery no one can see.
Later, they got a letter from National Parks telling them that the lighthouse was not theirs to change without permission from them.
Let's hope our new town board and committee leaders are not as reckless as the guys we just threw out.
A wind district...a good idea if it can be worked out with neighbors.
5:46
Excellant point about wind production being limited to only what is needed in the community. Same with solar. I think the zoning law is leaning toward solar in all of the community and wind restricted to a district of its own. Just remember, alternate energy cost much more to produce and will drive up the energy bills for all even with the subsidy.
Cape is a place that could prosper without selling out to the foreign interests of Acciona and Bp. Read about any community in the world ruined by a giant corporation and that can and will happen here. Industrial wind is a community disaster. And there are two of them lurking.
Include the farming community in the development plans. Help them get grants and in return ask them to support our community in ways that are healthy for all, not just 4%. Look to our future, educate our children and hope they still want to come back to help the Cape prosper.
Just think of the ignorant lease holders who not only signed up behind the backs of the community but worse refused for six years to acknowledge this effect (explained in this article)and after having it explained to them over and over and over again.
"Include the farming community in the development plans. Help them get grants and in return ask them to support our community in ways that are healthy for all, not just 4%. "
I might have gone for that before they tried to screw us over, but now now.
How about this: Raise the taxes on those bastards that tried to sell us out. Force them into bankruptcy, buy their land, and turn it into a community farming operation.
I THINK MOST FOLKS WOULD BE FOR HELPING THE FARMERS MAKE A LIVING...... MANY OF US HAVE SAID IN THE PAST THAT WE KNOW THEY ARE HAVING A TOUGH TIME MAKING A LIVING AND WOULD SUPPORT VARIOUS WAYS, THAT MAKE SENCE, IN HELPING THEM OUT !!!! I THINK GRANTS WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO. I, FOR ONE, WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY A LITTLE MORE IN TAXES SO THAT WE COULD LOWER THE FARMERS TAXES. I KNOW THAT SOME WOULD NOT DO THIS BUT MANY OTHERS MIGHT CONSIDER IT !!! THERE ARE SO FEW FARMERS AND SO MANY NON FARMERS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE MUCH OF A TAX INCREASE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL!!!! WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE HARDEST JOBS IN THE WORLD IS FARMING !!!! IT'S TOO BAD THAT OUR LOCAL FARMERS COULDN'T GET THE SAME BREAKS THAT THE BIG CORPORATE FARMERS GET !!! I'M SURE MANY OF THE HUGE CORPORATE FARMS ARE SOMEHOW CONNECTED TO THE WASHINGTON FAT CAT POLITICIANS !!!!!!
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN WE MUST STAY FOCUSED ON GETTING ALBANY AND WASHINGTON TO STOP OFFERING OUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS TO BIG FOREIGN WIND COMPANIES !!!!! ALBANY AND WASHINTON IS WHERE THE REAL WIND THUGS RESIDE, DON'T FORGET IT !!!!
Hey you loud guy above....
The wind thugs here are Stumpf, Conboy, Trieste, and Gross.
Don't forget it!!!!!!!
5;46 A wind overlay district is discriminatory. You suggest a three mile setback from the River(and I assume the Lake) yet only a 1.2 mile setback for the unfortunate residents who live in an overlay district.How is this fair, or on the right track? If the town is resolved to permitting industrial turbines anywhere in the town,it must provide uniform protections for everyone,if as you point out the people on the committee care about all the people in our community.
there are numerous other negative impacts from these industrial giants,not the least of which is the degradation of our scenic resources. It is readily apparrent to all who have seen the Wolfe Island(or any other) wind project that the visual impact is far greater than what can be mitigated in the town of Cape Vincent,simply because the area of the town is so small. A three mile setback from the river does not even mitigate what the two developers have acknowledged as an impact on the landscape in their own EIS reports, where they state that industrial turbines will be the dominant feature for five miles in all directions. One does not have to be an engineer to conclude that there is no setback which can mitigate this impact in Cape Vincent,unless of course you capitulate and redefine mitigation.By the way ,our comp plan and zoning law both resolve to preserve not only the waterfront views,but also our scenic rural landscape.
Why would we establish the criteria of allowing enough industrial scale energy to be produced in Cape Vincent that is needed for our own use? Is this a rational standard,or rather a need to satisfy some sense of environmental morality? There is a far more complicated argument to be made regarding the efficiency ,economic feasibility,even relevance to global warming,that you simply step over by suggesting this degree of development.
You suggest that anyone exposed to property value loss in a wind overlay district be mitigated by the developer buying their property. Do you really feel this is fair or just? When part of our community's long range goals is to preserve and protect property values,how can this scenario you describe be reasonable. What you suggest is not mitigation,it is capitulation and compensation,neither of which is spelled out as a long range goal in our Comp. Plan . the economic committee report endorsed Michael McCanns contention that property values will be affected within a two mile radius of any industrial turbine. If you chart every residence in town and overlay a two mile radius, it becomes obvious that in order to achieve the town's goal of protecting property values,we could not allow industrial turbines.
This committee has a difficult task of rewriting our zoning law.The first prerequisite is that the zoning law they create must be compatible with our Comprehensive Plan.The zoning committee should wait until the Comp. Plan committe has completed its review of the Plan and made any (if any )revisions. It is not the purview of the zoning law committee to determine the longe range goals for the community,but rather to create a law that implements those goals.
Our new government should not be in such a rush to create a new law that it abandons the proper procedure,especially since this is the very issue that thrust Cape Vincent into the dilemma it is in.
Right on 1:46!!!
BTW...if we have been harping on what a disaster wind energy is from all angles and based on all the research..then it is a disaster. Making it a community project just means now the community is endorsing the same wind fiasco and disaster.
7 years of this wind torture has worn some of you down to appeasement. 1 industrial wind turbine means the wind industry wins. Why is it so freakin hard for you people to just say NO. There is NO appeasement or community healing or representing everybody. It will be decades before this community heals, and allowing a few turbines 3 miles back is not going to help or change that. I live 6 miles from the nearest Wolfe Is. wind turbine. I can see many of them clear as day, and the night lights are obnoxious...who the hell are we trying to kid here??? Set backs do not work!!!You really think the rabid greenshirts are going to be happy with that and are walking away feeling warm and fuzz??? You think the state which is willing to preempt local laws with Art. 10 is going to be all warm and fuzzy about that setback?
Just face up to the answer. no turbines in CV...end of story.
The Wolfe Island wind project has already wiped out the view shed of approximately one third of our area. There is no possible mitigation for the damage it has done.
We can't allow this to happen to one more area here, I don't care how much money some leaseholders stand to make.
Nobody else here wants them!
Is this a rational standard,or rather a need to satisfy some sense of environmental morality?
Right on the money!!
If this is the thinking, then our elected official did not hear us!!
This election said NO to wind turbines.
4:24
Good point!
So a few more turbines ain't gonna hurt none.
If our elected officials don't get it, they will not be elected again.
NO TURBINES!
You are only one vote and one opinion.
The point that does not get mentioned often enough is that the scenic attributes that need to be protected in Cape Vincent are the very same attributes that need to be protected in neighboring towns.
Cape Vincent has an obligation to help protect the Region and other nearby towns have the same obligation.
mitigation is defined as the lessening in force or intensity of,or the moderating of the severity of anything distressing.
So ,if we have established long range goals of preserving the small town rural atmosphere of Cape Vincent, and also preserving our scenic resources,and preserving property values,and we willfully and knowingly allow and encourage development that not only violates all of these goals,but also renders many residences as uninhabitable, how responsible and moral is it to consider reinbursing these homeowners for the loss of their homes as ''mitigation''
Mr. Neil Anderson is correct- the only mitigation is to separate industrial turbines from residential areas-period
Make it three miles from the River.
Makes sense unless you live anywhere near that. It does not make sense to have them anywhere in a scenic resort area.
And mitigation...no one should have to leave their home beacuse someone wants a certain number of turbines just for the community.
5:46, which zoning committee person did you talk to?
All the comments about banning turbines are examples of comments that are not backed up with solutions. A total ban is certainly what the majority of Cape Vincent wants, but how do we convince politicians to keep Article X from ignoring your wishes? Tell your local Zoning Update Committee and your Town Board exactly how you would totally ban turbines without risk of pissing off Albany to the point that they will totally ignore your local law and force turbines into the town. Do this and you will be doing something worthwhile as opposed to just spewing out a lot of tough talk. Have you noticed that the windies appear to have given up the fight? Why? Because they have been assured that Albany will take care of their wishes.
7:42
Maybe you just don't understand, the windies will never give up the fight, at least not in this generation.
12:53 YOUR RIGHT..... JUST REMEMBER THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR ALBANY AND WASHINGTON THERE WOULDN'T BE THE LIST OF NAMES YOU MENTIONED !!!!!
BY THE WAY.... I CAP EVERYTHING BECAUSE MY VISION IS VERY POOR BECAUSE OF MY ADVANCED AGE..... THE DOCTORS SAID THERE WASN'T MUCH THEY COULD DO FOR ME !!!! I CERTAINLY DIDN'T MEAN TO OFFEND YOU IN ANYWAY!!!!!! PLEASE EXCEPT MY APOLOGIES !!!!!
7;42 do you have some inside track on which local zoning laws will be overrided by the state siting board? If so you would be the first person to have such an insight.How about sharing it .
TI...excellent points but not quite correct.
Actually I have been screaming that very point at the top of my lungs for a considerable time. Typical zoning by districts is ineffective to mitigate industrial wind development. Yet the zoning committee apparently doesn't get it, and charges ahead, even ahead of the comp plan committee and starts talking wind overlay "districts" and there is still no discussion in any official capacity of anywhere about the ban or prohibitive option. It is if we have to allow wind in some form.
What point is there to a wind overlay disctrict as protection if 400 ft turbines can be seen from ALL other districts, other towns,some as far away as 25 or 30 miles, and other countries in our case. We are well on our way to wind zoning, and the committee is using a completely wrong zoning paradigm that doesn't even apply to the problem. Great start!!!!
We are in a rush that makes no sense at all.
Is the 3 mile setback actually coming from the committee or is this just your idea or opinion?????
7:42
There are now at least 12 towns that have banned industrial wind. Seems to me the state is going to have a real nasty political job running around preempting all these local laws. That is going to piss off a lot of people, be very visible, and that means VOTES. And politicians can count votes. So let's make it harder for them. There are already some towns and counties adopting political resolutuions opposed to A-10. If you haven't noticed that is what killed the NYPA turbine proposals in the lake. It was outright political pressure. Step one is for our board to pass a similar opposition resolution instead of running around propmoting wind districts that give the message that we are inviting wind development. We need to join the towns prohibiting turbines and opposing A-10 ASAP.
If the state is hell bent on ramming turbines down our throats as a community, then we have already lost, so we have nothing to further lose and might as well fight it to make it as ugly as possible for the state to start preempting laws.
If we buckle under allowing some turbines in an effort to look "reasonable" we let the state win by fear alone. And if you think the state is that rabid about putting wind turbines here...do you honestly think trying to look reasonable by allowing a 3 mile setback that would virtually eliminate the projects is going to appease the state? They aren't that stupid, they and the developers will laugh their asses off.
If you think it through...in the end we really don't have any other rational choice but to step up, stop playing games, and prohibit wind. Everything else is just fear and appeasement that won't work anyhow.
So what is your solution????
And BTW 7:42
I have already told our town baord any many on both committees my solutions...in some cases many many times.
6:55
better talk to some of the people on the committees and the town board...because that is exactly what some consider as mitigation.
It's called a properrty value assurance guarantee...and it is nonsense.
let in a use so terrible it will make people move...then compensate them?????? WTF...get rid of that use right up front if it's that bad to begin with and we know it.
Mitigation is a fact of life. Without discussion of mitigation, one has no legitimate reason for refusing a deal of any kind. It is part of what is call fair consideration. To simply say, no wind, no way, is a cop out. There has to be reason. And, by the way, you are over simplifying what you are calling "outright bans" by others in the State.
Even this post says the only mitigation is separation and there has to be definition for separation. Zoning laws call that setback. So you say no turbines in Cape Vincent. But when we put them in Lyme and Clayton, how close can they be to your town?
Too many holes in your reasoning and every time you come her to repeat over and over your one man show, more holes appear in your reasoning.
More importantly, RWiley, you have condemned the
committee before they started.
Anon. 6:37
You are misunderstanding the source of the Anonymous comments above. I did not make any of those comments.
From the name you have chosen, I assume you must know the source of them. The person making those comments is not affiliated with me or my blog in any way.
I have never posted anything condemning the committees that are working on the Comp Plan and Zoning.
I think much of the reason for the panic
is that the person making the comments
is on the radical side of the issue and does not understand the reality of Article X. Carol Murphy
who is Miss New York State wind is now even saying that the small wind farm of a half dozen or so is the way to go in New York State. After having a visit with her after a presentation she gave, she now understanding the scope of the resistance. That resistance is not coming from nut jobs either. It is coming from think tanks, elected officials, energy experts and well educated citizens. Small wind farms within easy reach of New York's energy highways is a practical solution. Putting a small development in Lyme or CV or Clayton does not warrant an overly expensive delivery system to Central New York.
I think much of the reason for the panic
is that the person making the comments
is on the radical side of the issue and does not understand the reality of Article X. Carol Murphy
who is Miss New York State wind is now even saying that the small wind farm of a half dozen or so is the way to go in New York State. After having a visit with her after a presentation she gave, she now understanding the scope of the resistance. That resistance is not coming from nut jobs either. It is coming from think tanks, elected officials, energy experts and well educated citizens. Small wind farms within easy reach of New York's energy highways is a practical solution. Putting a small development in Lyme or CV or Clayton does not warrant an overly expensive delivery system to Central New York.
12:18 wrote,
"TI...excellent points but not quite correct."
My point was only this. None of the Thousand Islands Region shoreline towns are surrounded by 450 ft tall walls. We are closely packed and relatively small towns, at least in comparison to the extraordinarily large scale footprint of Big Wind.
Because of the unique visually imposing nature of Big Wind, Cape Vincent's zoning law and comp plan need to take this reality into account. Huge wind turbines in Cape Vincent will have a huge impact well beyond the borders of the town. As a matter of consideration for our neighbors, the well being of the larger region and common decency, Cape Vincent owes some deference to surrounding communities.
It is no excuse to say that Wolfe Island has already ignored that regard for neigboring communities, as if that makes it Ok to now spread the disregard throughout the area.
Many (most, I would insist) residents of Wolfe Island are deeply saddened by what was allowed to happen there. It was nothing less than a secretive self-serving money grab by large landowners in the interior of Wolfe Island who showed no regard for Wolfe Island's
significance as anything beyond the soil under their noses.
But what happened on Wolfe Island was nothing more than what came so close to happening in Cape Vincent and Hammond -- local landowners using local government to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.
Wolfe Island is bad enough. To spread the infection beyond Wolfe Island would be environmental insanity and regional economic suicide. Lyme, Clayton, Orleans and other area towns remain under threat.
Again, my point is that Cape Vincent's land use policies and laws need to reflect more than a purely parochial perspective. Cape Vincent should have a sense of stewardship for the whole Thousand Islands Region, a region of which Cape Vincent is fortunate to be a part.
"We don't negotiate with terrorists" "Bring it on" , "Mission ACCOMPLISHED". See how easy it is? And I didn't even get a scratch.
6:37 and 8:28
What you are not comprehending is the paradigm or premiseof typical Euclidean setback zoning for numerous towers 400 ft high with flashing lights....all of which can be seen for 25 or 30 miles simply does not work. You are stuck in the setback paradigm right where thwe wind developers want you. For God's sake look at Wolfe Is and tell me setbacks were successful at mitigating that impact. Actually you would have to be a "nut case" to look across the river and think that typical zoning setbacks is a rational mitigation or solution.
In addition there are some other "nut cases" who I can not reveal the names, but are extremely well versed on this issue with considerable experience who I have had long discussions on this and they agree with what I am saying.
But let's entertain your arguments for a minute. Would you please illuminate for us how many turbines you would allow, exactly where would they go in CV, and exactly how would you mitigate the impact since they will be seen and heard for many miles. And more $$$ from the wind company or a new fence around a cemetery IS NOT mitigation. It is irrational compensation for what obviously can not be mitigated in the 1st place. Anybody who accepts that as mitigation really is a nut case. This is where you and many others fail to come through...nobody answers those simple questions or where an how many...so put your solution out on the table for all of us. If you don't or can't then THAT is the real cop out!!!
You open the door to a compromise in CV and you give the State exactly what it is looking for. They want to scare the shit out of you, so you will start scrambling in a panic for a compromise and stop thinking rationally, and NOT do what they and the wind companies fear the MOST. That would be a ban and a nasty political fight they would have to wage to premept everyone's local laws.
And about being a radical...seems to me I am in good company since the mantra going around is that many voted the current board into office and it is an anti wind victory. They may not come on this blog, or choose to be vocal, but I can assure you there are alot of people in CV that would much prefer a BAN...and they sould start speaking up publicly becuase this is it...this is the time. But like I said I will wait for your detailed solutions.
TI
I agree in principle...but to prevent more destruction to the region means to not let another turbine add to the 86 on Wolfe Is. As you said:
"Wolfe Island is bad enough. To spread the infection beyond Wolfe Island would be environmental insanity and regional economic suicide."
One would have to conclude from your comment that if Wolfe Is. is BAD ENOUGH that NO more turbines in the the region would be acceptable. In other words NO turbines in CV which would add directly to the Wolfe Is. disaster. So you are opposed to any turbines in CV right? Based on your comments I see no other solution, and I agree. This means no compromise and one way or another we eliminate turbines in CV through our comp plan or zoning. Of course you understand that this would make you a radical nut case!
Or are you suggesting another solution...maybe a few???
I would also like to know where this so-called overlay is. There are many of us outside the village/riverfront areas that have lived here all our lives. We don't want windmills any where near us. We will be forced to leave, because we can't live with them.
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