This reminder from the folks in WPEG:
CapeVincent citizens need to keep vigilant and involved, they need to keep giving our Town Board the support to do what they were elected for.Everyone needs to come to the Special Meeting of the Town Board Feb. 7 at 7 PM at r
Recreation Park so our side has plenty of representation and the green shirts don't stack the deck. The main item is a Public Hearing on a Moratorium for Wind.
Your Comments dont need to be complicated.
Remind the Town Board that in regards to industrial wind development:
Important information regarding impacts to our community was never looked at.
We still have no well written zoning ordinance.
The citizens support a moratorium.
Written comments will be accepted from people who are out of area so please send your
letter to town clerk Michelle Bouchard at Capevincentclerk@nnymail.com
or by snail mail:
Michelle Bouchard
PO Box 915
Cape Vincent, NY 13618
letter should specifically say they want to be part of the official record.
Please do write or attend the meeting to make your comment in person because putting The Town of Cape Vincent back into order requires citizen support and involvement.
22 comments:
Time to put on the green shirts again. If you see Tim Conboy, Bryan Stumpf or Marion Trieste there, remind them that the Acciona CEO has said that they don't put turbines where they are not wanted!
I hope this meeting is well attended. Please do not be complacent. Complacency is just asking to be skewered. This is a long term fight that requires stamina from us.
What kind of assault will Stumpy and the Con boy launch on the Town Board now. Will the Wiley-Kings be groveling at their feet and kissing a little higher in an effort to impress the paid stooges of the multi-national foreign corporations who could give two cow patties for the welfare or future of this community.
Dusting off of the green shirts and telling wind lies will be part of the evening. How can Beth White work in the schools kids on this one.?
"How can Beth White work in the schools kids on this one.?"
You don't really think they're going to show up, do you? (not the school kids, the green shirts)
PLEASE EVERYONE, LET THE TOWN BOARD KNOW THAT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINDMILLS, IT'S A FAILED POLICY !!! LETS ALL BACK THE TOWN BOARD AND SUPPORT THE WIND MORATORIUM BY ATTENDING THE MEETING, SENDING IN A LETTER OR EMAILING YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE HOLD ON WIND !!!
LET'S ALL KEEP THE PRESSURE ON BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SCUM BAG AUBERTINE IS UP TO IN ALBANY...... AFTERALL HE DID GET A CUSHY JOB FROM OUR GOVERNATOR IN ALBANY..... I WONDER WHAT THAT WILL COST US, IN THE LONG RUN, IN CAPE VINCENT? WE ALL KNOW THERE IS ALWAYS STRINGS ATTACHED TO THESE APPOINTMENTS, ESPECIALLY AT THIS LEVEL !!!!! WE ALL NEED TO STAY FOCUSED AND KEEP OUR EYES AND EARS ON OUR COMMON GOAL......( NO WIND IN THIS TOWN )
DOWN WITH THE WIND THUGS ONCE AND FOR ALL.... THEY ARE JUST A BUNCH OF GREEDY PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By all means come to the public hearing and make comments,but keep in mind that the three newly elected town officials promised a moratorium on wind development,during their election campaign.
Of equal or greater importance now is what happens during this moratorium. The town has convened a committee to revise our zoning law and this committee has met four times already to review and consider a draft law. The town has also formed a committee to review and possibly revise the Town Comprehensive Plan, which is the document that by State Law serves as a guide to the criteria set forth in our zoning ordinance.
While I commend the town and everyone involved in this process for their committment to creating a responsible law that will guide our future land use,I am discouraged that they are not followng correct established procedure.
The zoning law must not drive the process of formulating a Comprehensive Plan,rather the reverse. This is spelled out clearly in the State enabling Laws, and for good reason. A Comprehensive Plan defines the long range goals of a community based on the vision expressed by the community. These goals are then implemented by the zoning criteria. It is illogical and legally tenuous to reverse the order of this process,not to mention a potential waste of time of everyone involved.
One of the major issues in this last election,was the abuse of power and neglect of due process due to illegal bias in our government. There is no potentially ''good or essential''motivation that justifies our new government taking actions that deviate from the established logical sequence of process.
Please make your thoughts on this issue known to your new elected and appointed officials. There is no shortcut to truly representative government.
The Wiley-Kings will be there. What kind of dirty tricks will they be up to this time. Will they write a letter to my mother and father telling them I voting Republican for the first time in my life. Or will they wish for the good old days when our government was corrupted by the lease holding public servants. Who will they claim is immoral and unethical now that the seasonals are toasting in the sun.
KC I am very surprised that Community organizer Marion Trieste has not brought a group of fourth graders to a town meeting to make their case for wind. Enticed by ice cream and cookies of course, served by Wiley and King. But don't talk to strangers. They may be seasonal.
Folks...I think you are missing something very basic here. Supporting our board is all well and good...but they have a SUPER MAJORITY. They don't really need our support to carry out this action. They promised a moratorium, they have to votes to carry it out and make it stick, so do it already! Do the job!
Or are we afraid that if more greenshirts and pro windies show up they will buckle under to their demands with some twisted idea they can or have to represent everybody????? Is there really some reason we have to march in there and remind them that they need to pass a moratorium? Am I missing something here???
You have go to be kidding me!!!
Although we do need a year...not 6 or 7 months.
2:14
Absolutely right!!!
We are already right out of the box doing the zoning process far to rushed and upside down by letting the zoning committee drive the process and the comp plan committee trying to play catch up contrary to NY zoning statutes.
Let me see... with this wind issue haven't we already had enough of this with our previous wind conflicted board???
A rushed process...we had that before.
A zoning process manipulated and carried out incorrectly...we had that before as well with other wind zoning attempts 2008/ 2010.
And no one is really considering the no turbine option...we had that before too.
A zoning process driven by fear of Article - 10 which means the process is being driven essentially by the wind developer lobby that backed article - 10. Once again the process being driven by the developers directly or indirectly...we had that before too. Even the moratorium is rushed.
I recommend to everyone to slowly and carefully read 2:14's comment and start asking some smart questions of our town board and the committees and what they are doing.
And what about that wind overlay district, and industrial zone proposed? Wind overlay districts are for one thing...turbines!!!
In reality the zoning committee should be stopped cold. Until the comp plan committee can carefully lay out the long range land use goals...then and only then should the zoning committee move forward with zoning regulations that are in accordance with the comp plan's intent.
Get informed...read NY Town Law art. 16 sec 272 about zoning and comp planning. "In accordance with" is the key phrase.
So I am sitting here waiting for the changes and responsibilty we voted for.
A moratoriumm is great...but not of much consequence if we screw up the process within it.
2:14 is in a panic. Is not up to date on information. I would not be too confident about 2:14
2:14 - you are totally correct except for one thing. The current Comprehensive Plan is what is being used to update the Zoning Law. It states our wants and wishes but needs to be more specific when it comes to tall structures etc. The problem is some of our past elected and appointed officials either did not know we have a Comprehensive Plan or chose to ignore it. If you have been following what is presented at Town Board meetings you would know that the updated Comprehensive Plan will be completed prior to the update of the Zoning Law.
You people are talking as if we do not have a Comprehensive Plan. Read it then tell us where it encourages tall structures.
Ok 7:46...let's look at your argument. Here is what you said.
“The current Comprehensive Plan is what is being used to update the Zoning Law. “
I have been closely reviewing our plan and the zoning relationship and the industrial wind development relationship and legal implications for nearly 7 years.
Ok read this from Town law first…”note the “must be in accordance with” phrase.
NY Town Law Article 16 sec. 272-a line 11 … Google it yourself.
Effect of adoption of the town comprehensive plan. (a) All town
land use regulations must be in ACCORDANCE with a comprehensive plan
adopted pursuant to this section.”
The zoning committee has already started talking about industrial zones and wind overlay district. NONE of which is provided for in our current comp plan. In fact pg 32 recommends we discourage TOWERS and UTILITIES in the Ag district area. So if the zoning committee is using the current comp plan because they feel it is good (which it is, I agree) and they are talking wind overlay and industrial zones…then they are right now already out of compliance or NOT in accordance with the comp plan, and are therefore violating the zoning comp plan relationship set up by NY LAWS. Let me say that again...LAWS!!! And this is happening because the zoning committee is driving ahead of the comp plan process, and they should not be.
It is reckless to do the zoning ahead of the comp plan or even concurrently. And saying the comp plan will completed before the zoning is pointless if the zoning has been driving
the process all along. The zoning committee needs to STOP, and I hope the comp plan committee will force that issue and stop them.
And you know what is astonishing about this…I had to have these exact comp plan arguments with Rienbeck and Edsall because they tried to ignore the process as well, or were clueless. So why the hell are we having to argue this again with this committee or the new TB!!!!
I would suggest that everyone who wants to have an intelligent conversation on the comp plan zoning issue get the following documents and read them carefully. It is absolutely critical at this time in the CV wind process that you understand in detail what is going on…or NOT going on! Get copies of:
1. Our comp plan.
2. Our zoning laws.
3. NY Dept of State Technical series by James Coon on Comp Planning.
4. NY Town Law Art.16 on planning and zoning for towns.
5. Then Google NYS and other law suits on comp planning.
Udall vs. Haas
Osiecki vs. Town of Huntington
Robert Zimmerman vs. Board of County Commissioners of Wabaunsee County, Kansas
Then you will begin to understand the implications, legal and otherwise, of what is going on OR not going on correctly.
BTW here is another thing our comp plan says:
"The Town and Village should review current land use regulations to ENSURE the protetion of scenic resources"
Somebody needs to explain to me how having a wind overlay district that allows 400ft towers which will be seen from all over town and for many miles beyond town ensures the protection of our scenic resources. Look at pg 51 of the Plan for other scenic protective language.
Six month moratorium, 7 month moratorium, one year. At this point does it really make a big difference? You can renew them. Look at Town of Lyme.....they have renewed a couple of times.
Just let the committees do their work, put it all together and that is what you have. Article 10's impact on us is yet to come but we can be as well prepared as possible.
The overlay puzzles me some though. Clayton has an overlay and they don't have turbines yet. So other issues seem to control the progress of turbines coming to town.
7:17 You said:
"Just let the committees do their work, put it all together and that is what you have."
That would be IF the committees were doing the process correctly, and they are not.
And at the "end what you will have" is a zoning law that is a done deal, and no sham public hearing is going to have any siginificant impact on that law after the committee has put 5-7 months of work into it. They will be over committed to it. Actually they have been working since Nov 2011.
What should take place is to have at least 2 public hearings to see the work in progress.
Also...why is the law going to the lawyers BEFORE the public hearing??? Seems to me you'd wait for public input, make any changes THEN go to the lawyers.
Can you say done deal!!!
Can you say done deal!!!
And the amazing is they don't need your help.
Welll...they need someboy's help because the aren't following the process as outlined by NY laws. You ok with one more town board ignoring that!!! I thought we voted for something else????
6:59, consider this. maybe they are smarter than you are??
6:50 & 5:51
You know what?...you are right!
Best of luck!
Some people are lawyers and some people are artists. When I need a lump of clay turned into my dead grandmother, I will hire an artist. When I need to address Article X I will hire a lawyer. Thank you.
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