4/15/12

Donald Mason explained, In Town of Cape Vincent water district #2, money comes in, money goes out and at the end of the month there is zero balance.



At last Thursday's special Town of Cape Vincent Board meeting, the Town Board approved resolutions that authorized financial audits of all Town of Cape Vincent water districts and commissioned a ground survey of water district #2 in an effort to determine how many users are being served by the district and for the documentation of the workings of the infrastructure.

The following is a transcript of a discussion that took place between Cape Vincent Town councilmen and citizens who are being served by water district #2.

Frank Giaquinto:  Excuse me. What exactly are they looking for?

Councilman Clif Schneider:  I think they are looking for making sure that everything was handled properly in terms of public financing and public monies. That policies are in place that were followed. Policies that not only the town has but also that normal municipalities follow. As Brookes was saying, we are dealing with a million dollars here in public funds and public trust. And, when we went through some of the training with the Attorney General's office, that and everything else was saying that's probably the biggest thing we have to do as elected officials, is to make sure as elected officials that the money we collect from you folks is handled properly. And that's a pretty big responsibility and to do that ourselves it's rather difficult and you have to, at times, call in professional people that really know how all this thing is handled. To make all of us feel confident that we are handling the public's money well.

Frank Guiquinto:  There was no public money used. 

Councilman Clif Schneider:  Of course there's public money used.

Frank Guiquinto:  No, there was no pubic money used.

Councilman Clif Schneider:  There's public money used through grants. 

Frank Guiquinto:  Not for district two.

Councilman John Byrne:  The other thing they are looking for with the water service agreement is they provide an allocation for water from the DANC line. We have to make sure we are using no more than that allocation because if we do use more than that, then other people who are going to be shorted. We have an agreement that goes through the Department of Environmental Conservation to make sure we are not using more water than what we are supposed to be using. So, even if water district two, the only people that are affected in that are the users, we still have a responsibility to make sure they are not using more than their allotted water supply, according to DANC.

Frank Giaquinto:  We know that. Yes, we know that.

Donald Mason:  We know the numbers. We got them figures every month. 

Frank Giaquinto:  You have that number.

Water District #2 user, Donald Mason, tells
Urban Hirschey that every month money comes in and
money goes out and at the end of every month,
there is zero balance.
Janet Radley:  So, when are you head huntin'?

Councilman John Bryne:  Our agreement  is that we will do this audit. We felt responsible to go through and do the audit.

Donald Mason:  We got no problem with doing the audit. We just wonder what you are looking for. What you're gong to have them look for. 

Supervisor Urban Hirschey: They are going to be analyzing numbers.

Donald Mason:  As you know, Urban, water district two, money comes in, money goes out. There's a zero balance at the end of every month.

44 comments:

Register to vote in CV said...

It does not surprise me that Janet Radley would use the term "head hunting". Because that is exactly what Cape Vincent Democratic Chairman Harold Wiley and Citizens for Fair Government's Gary King did when they sent letters to the town assessors of Cape Vincent citizens who own multiple properties. Their intent was to hunt the head's of registered Cape Vincent voters that they thought might vote against their unethical conflict of interest candidates. Their action was nothing more than political thuggery, discrimination and voter intimidation. They failed to send out letters to assessors in other towns where their political friends owned other properties.

However, a person is allowed a STAR exemption on his/her principal residence and is allowed to vote at any residence of choice if they spend thirty days there. If an assessor sends you a letter as a result of the Wiley and King intimidation, challenge it and remind your assessor that where your vote and where you take your STAR is your business and legitimate. Also remind them that Harold Wiley and Gary King have no legal authority to represent the Government of the Town of Cape Vincent or the Assessor of the Town of Cape Vincent. Explain to your assessor that they are political head hunting and violating the rights of people and their choice of where they want to cast their one constitutionally guaranteed vote.

If you want to protect your investment in Cape Vincent, don't be intimidated by Wiley and King. Register to vote and help Cape Vincent maintain honest government that protects all taxpayers and citizens.

Fight the Wiley and King discrimination against our summer visitors who are the backbone of our economy.

Anonymous said...

When Donny Mason said money comes in and money goes out, was he talking about outsider payments to him on his portion of the water line? Was he referring to getting paid by these users and then paying the town? If he is it's nice to know he isn't charging his neighbors a premium since he also said it was a zero balance. BTW, how would FG or other outside users know what the water rate was if they never saw any bills from the town? Aubertine, Mason and Bourcy could have charged whatever they wanted to outside users and the outsiders would never have had a clue.

Anonymous said...

There are so many unanswered questions and problems. The survey is very necessary.
In the video I heard FG say he was the only problem. His hookup is illegal. But if he got his hookup from Aubertine and is paying him then that was Aubertine's call. The books of whoever is running the dist. 2 business and collecting and disbursing should be looked at too. Or is that an IRS concern? How do we know?

Anonymous said...

8:02

These are very honest boys. I am sure they would not overcharge their neighbors for the water they were selling from the DANC line.

They were doing a good job even though they were running a do it yourself water district.

Anonymous said...

Marty Mason is dead wrong about the trailer parks.

And he is responsible for village public works? The board might want to re-think this one. Was Marty involve in district 2 infrastructure. Why is he so concerned?

Anonymous said...

8:08

Looking back, two men endorsing an entire slate of wind lease corrupt town council candidates certainly is unusual. Especially since they trashed the Cape Democrats so they could get their way. But, this is a democracy, the voters knew better and they lost. Keep an eye on them though.

Anonymous said...

Donnie Mason and Marty Mason supported by Mickey Orvis and the Voters for Wind along with Bryan Stumpf and Tim Conboy tried to have Urban Hirschey impeached or resign because he allowed a FOIL of the industrial wind noise collusion. But, again they lost that one. TR supported their public flogging. So what is the next thing that will be uncovered?

Anonymous said...

Maybe the sewer plant in the village

Anonymous said...

Did we ever find out what happened to the old water tower and document the money trail?

Anonymous said...

At a town meeting Marty Mason promised that he would find out what happened to the old water tower. None of the members of the pre-Hirschey town board have any idea what happened to the old water tower which was much better looking than that piece of crap put on the land sold to them by Gary and Ellen King.

Anonymous said...

The audit should also include any billings done between neighbors to make sure no one was taken advantage of during the last ten plus years.

Anonymous said...

No big deal. The town board looked like they just want to set the water districts straight. It did appear though that TR who claims Hirschey does not know what he is doing was not on top of things when he was Super. It is clear that he let us down on many issues.

Anonymous said...

Would some knowledgeable person explain what this is all about. We have people saying King/Wiley are sending letters. What does that have to do with this issue? I'm not sure where the DANC line runs. I assume it runs parallel to 12E heading toward Chaumont and beyond. If the waterline for Donnie Mason runs parallel to Favtet Rd., then there a number of people that "may" be connected other than Mason, Boarcy, and Aubertine. I suppose Rob Campany will discover if any of those residents have been mysteriousily connected. This doesn't seem like rocket science. I understand that people like Frank Gioquinto hook up illegally. That's not surprising! Urban and the others better be careful. Frankie can be a viscuous man... It seems to me that more water is consumed than is being paid for. And, Donnie Mason is being very defensive. Hmmmmmm.

Anonymous said...

5:45

Letters attempting to intimidate seasonal voters in Cape Vincent are being sent by Harold Wiley and Gary King to out of town assessors of those Cape Voters trying to punish them by getting their STAR taken away and causing them grief. Those letters have nothing to do with the water district 2 situation.

Anonymous said...

since brooks said it is a million dollar a year of public funds than why not invest in an audit and underground survey of all 5 districts .map out all piping and you might be surprised what you see.

Anonymous said...

Saying there is or was public funds used for Water District #2 is absolutely untrue. This district was funded entirely by the users.This district did not or does not involve one dime of Town money or cost the town one red cent.

Anonymous said...

Just a zoo up there on the river. and you want to attract new business? Will they have to pay for water too?

Anonymous said...

Anon 6:36 "Saying there is or was public funds used for Water District #2 is absolutely untrue."

If so, then why is district 2 paying part of the debt for the DANC line? Wasn't this the issue that prompted Urban Hirschey to send a letter to district 2 people, that they weren't paying their fair share of fixed costs. It is nonsense to suggest there isn't public money in district 2. They may have paid for the line to their house from the DANC line, but how did the DANC line get their to begin with? You think that was done with private monies? District 2 users got the waterline adjacent to their property with public monies and they apparently may not have paid their fair share, but they may pay more in the future.

Ha, if it wasn't for public monies, those three pipes coming from the old railroad right of way to Mason, Bourcy and Aubertines farms would be useless dry holds.

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:16
Its apparent you dont understand the issue here.Water District #2 was not funded with public money. Twist it all you want the fact is THE DISTRICT WAS FUNDED BY THE USERS.

Anonymous said...

Actually, it does not matter the funding. If Aubertine and others are selling water to neighbors and taking in money then they have to register their business, live up to certain health codes and report their activity to the IRS. Doing business under the table is one thing but when that business can affect the health and safety of others, it should be above board. Do the water sellers have the proper liability insurance to cove a major occurrence?

Frank G. has said he is being billed by someone. Who is collecting money and under what business name?

Anonymous said...

6:58

Your are dead on. No public money used.

The district was funded by the users. The users in turn then hooked up to and are selling water to their neighbors, some of them out of the district.

7:03 is correct, too. But, now it has become more complex since Frank Giaquinto has informed them that he is purchasing his water from a business that we did not know was operating. What if someone else wants to purchase water from that same business. Are they listed in the yellow pages?

Anonymous said...

To 7:03 & 7:10
I totally agree with what your saying as long as you do not insinuate public money was used to form Water District #2.

Anonymous said...

It appears that Frank Giaquinto is just a customer here.
Not his responsibility to defend the book keeping or business of the water sellers. His complaint was that his bill went up. But he was not being billed by or paying money to the town for his water. Please understand that.

Anonymous said...

If money is being diverted from the town to benefit private individuals, then that is public money. Just because users are billed for construction doesn't mean they own the water district.

Anonymous said...

"We got them figures?" We got no problem..." Wow Donny, please go back to school. That is embarrassing.

Anonymous said...

I think what these guys are worried about is the possiblility of the town finding out that the materials (pipes and labor stuff) used to put in these districts may have been ordered and paid for using town money. The audit should cover our towns financial records during the period of time that these lines went in.

Anonymous said...

Think about it for a minute, Frank, Donny, Marty and Janet all asked at one point or another what the town was looking for.

There is something afoul here and they know it. That is why the want to know what the town is looking for. There is more to this than meets the eye.

Anonymous said...

What happened to the money from the old water tower?

Why is the town looking into this?

There might have been $20,000 in scrap metal from the that tower.

Anonymous said...

Anyone that distributes water outside an established water district and any municipality that permits this is violating the law. So why not fess up and save the taxpayers some money? It will make some people look very stupid and bad AGAIN. But, that is certain to happen anyway when the audit is complete. Why prolong the agony and expense? There is no politicing your way out of this in spite of the fact that some are trying to use this method to save awful embarassment.

The Town of Cape Vincent will resolve this but they need to keep in mind that there are scores of users of municipal water in the town that are not regulated by an established water district. The good-ole-boys allowed that to go on for decades and that is why they think they can continue to do that (the good-ole-boys being the former town boards). You can be sure they will pound this down the throats of the current town board if they are forced to abide by the law.

Anonymous said...

Who was the town attorney at the time District #2 was set up? I agree with 9:37, when someone keeps asking what you are looking for there is something "fishy" they don't want you to find.

Anonymous said...

My father-in-law would often say that there's a fly in the ointment! Me thinks that Donnie is worried...

KC said...

I'm sure this will get worse before it gets better. There is probably more to clean up in this town besides junk cars and "unofficial" water dealings...

Anonymous said...

Donny may not be the mastermind, but he might be into it up to his greedy neck. He sure seemed nervous at the town meeting and so did Marty and Janet. If was funny how Marty kept saying you have to audit the trailer parks too. Funny how he wants everything to be fair now, but he didn’t give a shit about being fair when he was on the town board.
If it is proven that he used town or village equipment to put in district 2 water lines he should be fired for misuse of public equipement.

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Anonymous said...

Those are pretty powerful statements about Gebo. If what you said isn't true I guess you know he can sue your ass for slander!

Saying he is on the take is very dangerous if you can't prove it!

I don't really care for the way he has represented this town, but I think you have gone to far with this post.

Stay Focused said...

I hope it frequently occurs to CV residents that they likely never would have heard of Acciona or BP Wind - or any other wind peddler - without the active arms extended, palms facing up approach to their own interests, from some of the very same key people that we are now talking about in the context of this water mess.

Rage is hardly ever a productive emotion. But disgust at official arrogance and self dealing is always very much in order. Anybody who isn't feeling a good measure of disgust at this point must be under sedation.

Anonymous said...

One assessor who wrote a letter saying that he was taking away the STAR thought King and Wiley were town officials of authority. He apologized to the homeowner and said all you need is a power or cable bill to show that you live there long enough. The STAR was reinstated.
Gary King and Harold Wiley's letter should be challenged by anyone who gets a letter from an assessor.

Anonymous said...

Ask the Village of Cape Vincent to tell you how many water lines they feed outside the Village water districts and to tell you who the lines serve. You will be surprised and angry at who gets Village water at a very sweet rate.

Anonymous said...

Where does this attitude of entitlement come from and why has it taken so long to question it?

Did people simply think "these things" (various abuses) wern't something worth bothering or getting upset about? Did it take something of the magnitude of the Big Wind threat to get people off their butts and demand clean open government?

Apparently so. Better late than never, I suppose.

Anonymous said...

They took their abuse of power to far. They will never hold office in this town again.

Anonymous said...

Your Ag commish is up to his elbows in this one.

Anonymous said...

I noticed in the video. Mickey recused. His reason being he is IN DISTRICT #3. So is Darrell Aubertine! Now why would Mickey recuse for that reason.

Anonymous said...

I agree that there are more water districts that need to be looked into. The 1/2-3/4 of a mile of the Tibbetts Point road is using town water from an illegal line. They are supposed to be part of water district 6 which still does not have its own line, yet somehow these people at the beginning of that road do get to enjoy town water. What's srong with this picture??

Anonymous said...

1:54
What's srong with this picture??
You don't know what you are talking about.Thats VILLAGE WATER not TOWN WATER