Will British Petroleum drop its proposal to crap up Cape Vincent, NY with wind turbines and switch to solar?

According to a report filed by Watertown Daily Times Staff writer,  Jaegun Lee, Peter Gross,  project manager of British Petroleum's proposed Cape Vincent industrial wind factory, has hit the bricks and is being replaced by Richard F. Chandler.

Mr. Chandler is quoted as saying that British Petroleum "is willing to compromise" with critics who seek to kill the project and they now intend to "tweak" the project.

In my opinion, dropping industrial wind completely and replacing it with a Cape Vincent solar project would be one very happy compromise. 
Along with solar into the community comes all the green that is not energy.

According the the Jaegun Lee report:

Mr. Chandler, the wind farm’s new project manager, has been involved in a number of large-scale, commercial solar-photovoltaic projects and has most recently completed the 31-megawatt Long Island Solar Farm as the director of development at BP Solar.

During a recent seminar at Jefferson Community College, Assembly members Kevin Cahill of Kingston, NY and Addie Russell who represents Cape Vincent, NY summarized what was a very discouraging evening for the development of industrial wind in our area by emphasizing that, "both are big proponents of solar energy".


  1. Anonymous4/26/2012

    I don't think and industrial size anything is appropriate for the Cape.
    It's long past time for BP to leave for good. We've had enough!

  2. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Now you are being just plain obstinate and irascible.

    Was your whole wind ban idea a hatred for just wind, or are you now admitting that you want to ban everything.

    If that is the case, the people living the wind ban dream were far from up front and dishonest about their motives.

  3. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Adios Gross!

  4. You are dead on 7:10.

    I have heard principals in the wind ban movement say that they are opposed to anything industrial in CV just as 7:00 has said.

    Solar as an energy source has already been attacked and ridiculed by the ban element and I suspect they will continue that assault.

    If this is the case, they will have to switch gears to a ban on everything as was commented above.

    But now to reality.

    If the compromise would be an announcement that industrial wind plans are dead in Cape Vincent, then this is perfect timing.

    There is no moratorium on solar development and the town plan and zoning committees are still in progress and could make the proper considerations that would allow solar that is safe, unobtrusive and economically feasible for the town.

    We are very fortunate at this point to have town government that is has the talent and is capable to oversee the process with local siting rather than go through the Article X process.

  5. Welcome Dick4/26/2012

    Here is some good advice for Chandler.

    Unlike Stumpf, Zedick, Gross, Madden, Solly and others, including a former State Senator, Don't make the mistake of coming into town thinking the people of Cape Vincent are stupid hicks who will roll over for a big company. Yes, there are fools but not as many as you think.

    Aslo remember that any progress you bastards have made thus far was done under the influence of government corruption at a local level as well as a corrupted former state assemble and senator.

  6. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Let's not be so quick to jump from one industrial project to another, if my memories are correct most people supported wind in the beginning and then there eyes were opened.

    Let's stick with what is more fitting for this area in planning our business development.

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  8. Anonymous4/26/2012

    BP's business practices have not been above board in any way in dealing with Cape Vincent and many other communities, no I agree with 7:45, it's time for us to say "no" to any industrial project suggested by BP.

    Good Riddance.

  9. Anonymous4/26/2012

    7:00 AM

    Yikes! What kind of convoluted thinking is that? Why are you marginalizing those who want viable progress with low impact on God's gift. Convoluted and absurb don't ya think? You better wake up because there is another story to all this. There is another story and only I know all the facts. When I was a kid I built a solar cell and I live in a solar house. You better wake up. If you think this town will stand still you are living under a rock.
    More to come.

  10. 7:45

    During all the research and discussions about industrial wind, I also formulated opinions on solar.

    Last fall while in Germany, I traveled through miles and miles of solar fields. Our guide was a moonlighting energy worker and knowledgeable about those projects.

    As for my opinion, I don't consider myself jumping into what I said about solar.

    Cape Vincent does have more sun than the central NY areas because of its orientation to the lake and the prevailing winds.

    On the other hand, I will never agree with you that Cape Vincent should consider your proposal for a ban on everything industrial.

  11. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Hey 7:45

    You guys can blab on and sink back into your ban everything campaign.

    But I would jump on an economic opportunity for this town that would not give us wind turbines but would let the rural area and the town cash in on solar.

    We have some good business people in the government now who know how to squeeze the best PILOT available to their advantage.

    A win win for the Cape.

  12. Anonymous4/26/2012

    and besides, unlike the corrupted officials our new guys would do it up front and consider benefits to all of the citizens.

    But no wind turbines in the deal. Zilch.

  13. There is no "cashing in" on utility scale solar to be done anywhere without the continuation of taxpayer funded subsidies to make something work financially that can't work otherwise.

    What is particularly sunny about Caoe Vincent, anyway?

  14. You are correct. And I am opposed to the wasteful green energy subsidies but it would be less of a bitter pill with solar than with subsidies, home value loss and wind turbines.

    Cape Vincent is only sunnier than Central NY by local comparison.

    We have reduced lake effect clouds because of the Cape's orientation to the lake and prevailing wind going over the narrow eastern end. Not enough over the warm water distance to pick up the moisture and reach the elevation to create loads like those that form in the traditional "snow belt" and almost daily in Central NY.

    But overall, New York is still low on the sun charts.

  15. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Stop all the subsidies, these companies have to stand on their own merit, the government is out of money!!

  16. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Chandler has no engineering experience.

    That is bothersome.

  17. Anonymous4/26/2012


    The joke is all on you and JLL and Pandora.
    We are giving and getting strong support from another
    blog and will show up in mass with our own coalition that will take the blogs and the town government down.

    And the new anti-wind law will go with it.

    See you at the public hearing.

    Ha, Ha

  18. Anonymous4/26/2012

    3:39 Best of luck to you. Better eat a big breakfast!

  19. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Time for you to check into rehab, 3:39.

  20. Anonymous4/26/2012

    OK - it is now apparant that some plan to use the old fashioned method of getting their way (disrupt, bully, badmouth, threaten, etc.). These are all tactics that we have seen in the past by some of the ingnorant and former political powerhouse families. Their problem is they do not have the knowledge or skills to accomplish their goals any other way. In other words, the barroom brawlers style is dead. We can handle it and we will. You people make absolute fools of yourselves in public and at meetings. The vast majority of your former buddies disagree with you - including many good-old-boys. Go find something to do that you can do and do well.

  21. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Is anyone making book about if he ever even comes to town?

    Look at his credentials.

    Sounds like his job will be to become the expert on Article X.

    Kudos to the CV committees and their due diligence.

    3:39 good luck and be careful with your new best friends.

  22. Anonymous4/26/2012

    Not a bad plan. A marriage of pro and anti wind radicals. A few anti wind radicals want to ban everything, right? So they join together and both get their way. Instant gratification. Both--All or nothing risk takers.

  23. Anonymous4/27/2012

    We have (maybe) 5 radical thinking people(4 in town and one from far away)that have voiced their demands for a total ban on big wind. We have about 3 to 3.9% of the landowners that have a signed contract with big wind. We might have another 5% who are in favor of big wind but do not speak publicly about it. That leaves at least 90% that would rather not have the damn monstrosities but who are intelligent enough to listen to what the new law has to offer before they go blog crazy. Don't allow the radicals (all 5 of them) and the 3-4 percenters to dominate the 90 percenters when the public gets their opportunity to speak on the proposed new law and comprehensive plan. I am sure they have been carefully written to consider what is best for the majority, the 90 percenters.

  24. Anonymous4/27/2012

    Personally, I don't think we will ever have the pleasure of meeting Mr. Chandler.

    You think he wants to come up here to have a meet and greet coffee with Supervisor Hirschey?

    Do you think he wants to come up here to have lunch with the Green Shirts and tell them that he has no news, or that some of them are being thrown over the stern in a revamping of the BP plan for CV?

    Mr. Chandler is just hanging around his office wondering what is to become of the mother's milk of his industry - federal production tax credits. And he may also be wondering how Article 10 siting applications are going to be handled -- just like the rest of us are wondering.

  25. Anonymous4/27/2012

    They won't send Chandler up here until he has taken the required seminars on how to deal with the "natives"who object. To bad George Custer didn't attend one of those sessions.

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