Wednesday, May 9, 2012

Voter for Wind tells the NY PSC, "there was no loss of property value in any of the Wind Farm project areas."


To Whom It May Concern,

In the matter of the Rules and Regulations of the Board on Electric Generation Siting and the Environment, contained in 16 NYCRR, ChapterX, Certification of Major Electric Generating Facilities. I feel that I must comment on the importance of Green Energy to be utilized in this day and age; in particular, Wind Energy.

I reside in the town of Cape Vincent, NY. This location is on the north eastern shores of Lake Ontario and the Saint Lawrence River, where we have a constant wind provided by nature. I own over three hundred acres that is slated for the BP Wind Project. I operated a dairy farm on this property until several years ago. I know the responsibility of caring for land, and leaving it better than you found it; basically being in one with nature. This is the reason I totally support Wind Energy coming to our ar ea in Jefferson County. Therefore, I would like it to be known where I stand on the following issues.

EXHIBIT 19: SOUND CAUSED BY WIND TURBINES
• I have visited Wind Farms and have noticed only a slight sound of wind blowing the blades, similar to movement of tree branches, or the gentle sound water on the shore line. Sounds of nature.

EXHIBIT 27: SOCIOECONOMIC EFFECTS
• Living in a rural area we face many financial challenges. I feel Green Energy can help to bring us back to being a self-sufficient generation. Money generated from these projects will surely put money back into NY State.

Generate revenue for schools and teachers to better our future.

Improve town and county spending capabilities for roads and equipment improvements to better our future.

Create jobs to better our future. EXHIBIT 28: ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE

Clean energy providing a service to all of New York State with no side effects from pollution.

No threat from possible terrorists targeting an energy source. EXHIBIT 31: LOCAL LAWS AND ORDINANCES

This area has been largely know as a rural farming community since being founded hundreds of years ago.

This is a prime location for a Wind project, because of the availability of land, wind and being in a lightly populated area.

• We have a view of the Wind Farm on the Wolf Island, Canada project. This causes no negative landscape impact.

Gauthier is wrong. The Thayer study demonstrated
loss of property values up to 1.5 miles for those
homes that saw and heard turbines.
That loss was averaged in with homes
 further away and out of site of turbines.
• Dr. Mark Thayer of the University of California, at San Diego, conducted a study for the Department of Energy. His research revealed that after a study of 7,500 home sales in Wind Farm areas: there was no loss of property value in any of the Wind Farm project areas.

• Given these facts by Dr. Thayer, I have no choice but to conclude that there is indeed, no proberty value loss in any Wind Farm project areas.
There are no known facts that show any detrimental effects on a Wind Farm project in the Cape Vincent area. I totally support this project, and I ask that you support this project.

Sincerely,

Robert A. Gauthier Voter For Wind Member

34 comments:

  1. Mr Gauthier,

    I live across Wolfe Island and hear wind turbines many days of the year. This morning is a perfect example.
    Wind developers do have a history of purchasing homes close to turbines and tearing them down because people can't stand living there.

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  2. i wonder what the name of the company that is writing these letters .

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  3. these VFWs don't sound like this in person.
    "Given these facts?"

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  4. I think they all have earned a BS Degree from the Beth White/Julia Gosier Institute.

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  5. Greed, Greed, Greed and more Greed.

    Give me money and screw the rest of town. I don't care if their property values are cut in half as long as I get my money dammit.

    Mr. Gauthier is nothing more than a welfare queen

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  6. Good Morning JLL,

    Mark Thayer came to Cape Vincent along with Carol Murphy who is nothing more than a lobbyist for the wind industry.

    For those well read, Mark Thayer did not even properly represent his own study.

    JLL you are correct.

    Thayer's own study did demonstrate a loss of value. But worse yet, there was very little sales activity of those homes. The worse effect of turbines is that if in view of turbines, they don't sell.

    When Thayer was here he did not even attempt to defend the claim that there is no loss. He babbled about bathrooms and kitchens and such.

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  7. Bp is not our friend.5/9/12, 7:01 AM

    "Money generated from these projects will surely put money back into NY State."

    Wrong! There is a net loss with the bulk of the money going back to the European Union.

    With the foreign wind developers there is nothing in their financial scheme to "put money back into NY State." They only redistribute subsidy money that came from fed, state and local taxpayers.

    Bp is in this for a profit. Two thirds of the money they get from an industrial wind project comes from the taxpayer.

    A very little of the amount is redistributed to people like Guathier who do their dirty work in the community for them.

    Voters for Wind are very willing to tell other people in town to shut up and sit down while the people from the wind company sit silently.

    People like the wiley-kings are more than willing to wage a social war on other members of the community while the outsiders from the wind company remain silent.

    When Bp cashes in their green chips they will care less what happens to this community. In fact they are most likely to start suing as they back out on promises like cleaning up after.

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  8. 6:42

    Julia Gosier once said in the WDT that "British Petroleum was more American than most."

    Take that, Jose Maria Torres, of Acciona Energia based in Madrid, Spain.

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  9. 6:37

    It appears Acciona-Bp community organizer and outsider, Marion Trieste is no longer giving guidance to the Voters for Wind.

    Former allies of voters for wind are now telling that wind is dead in CV and the voters for wind have lost.

    They are now left on their own and it is becoming a social disaster and war by bigotry and their only hope is that the town of Cape Vincent will lose all local rule in determination of the future with the comp plan and the new zoning law.

    Remember, Gary King is a co-founder of voters for wind and was the key player in the last town election which was a disaster for voters for wind. Gary King claims he is not a benefactor of wind. But, his wife is. The same with Karen Stumpf and her husband. Green Greed at the expense of the citizens of Cape Vincent.

    No one will ever accuse Gary King of being an elitist.

    Need I say any more?

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  10. The CV DEmocratic party has become dirty and corrupt.

    Not to mention, non-functional.

    It is time to demand a restructuring, get out from under the influence of Aubertine and Wiley and rebuild under the adoption of a primary system.

    They think you can now get there with the write-in. But voters will now be more careful to look at their party of registration before they fall for than one again.

    Please don't let us lose good Democrats like our town highway super. Demand the primary system and wind lease free ethical candidates.

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  11. Isn't there something dangerous and scary about a group of people asking the state to take over local choice?

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  12. Voters for Wind is an identifiable group of people.
    You can see who they are on their webisite.

    It is now getting to the point with their charges against the citizens of the community that nothing less than a public apology by the group be accepted.

    Voters for Wind and their bigotry and opposition to democracy is right there with the skinhead movement.

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  13. I wonder how many of these comments were written and organized by the developer.

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  14. "I know the responsibility of caring for land, and leaving it better than you found it; basically being in one with nature. This is the reason I totally support Wind Energy coming to our area in Jefferson County"

    HUH???

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  15. When they leave, they only shave off the top of the massive concrete bases and bury them.

    Is that really leaving it better than the way they found the land?

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  16. No record of it if the property is taken off the market. I have seen several in my nieghborhood go from "For Sale" to "For Rent"

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  17. "Please don't let us lose good Democrats like our town highway super. Demand the primary system and wind lease free ethical candidates."

    What are you going to do about it? How are you going to get a primary system?

    I hope the Democratic party goes to a primary at some point. It is rather a disgrace to democracy it self. Ironic the words are so similar. But you might better leave the dysfunctional party alone for now, until the dust settles. You have all the firepower you need with the Republican party, which is operating open and fairly. At this level of government, party lines shouldn't matter, as long as there is one that is functioning justly.

    In fact, for the anti-wind cause, only one party is probably better because you're not as susceptible to splitting the vote. You don't want to risk splitting the vote over an important issue like wind, just because you're trying to push this party of that party, do you?

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  18. Mr. Guathier might be surprised to learn that on Wolfe Island 67 properties were recently given reductions in their assessed values. All properties on the west end in the wind farm district.

    One property was reduced in value by $150,000. Canadian and your dollar are near par at the moment.

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  19. 8:55

    Point well accepted.

    Bottom line, a the polls I get to vote who I want even if registered Dem.

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  20. Mr. Gauthier tells the PSC:

    "I feel Green Energy can help to bring us back to being a self-sufficient generation."

    First of all wind is even green. And above all it is not self sufficient. It would not even exist the way it is now without 60% taxpayer welfare some of which is given back to the leaseholder who then become welfare recipients themselves.

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  21. There is more to this story. Assessors use formulas to determine value. These formulas do not take into account the FACT that properties sit on the "for sale" market for long periods of time and often do not sell at all because of the potential for big wind or the existence of big wind. Therefore properties that do not sell never get into the calculation which skews the results in favor of the developers. This is not fair, not accurate, not ethical, not widely known and not what 90% of us deserve.

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  22. Don't believe the part where they say taxes have been eliminated. In one wind town, they used the county as a collection agency and the money came back to the town that way.

    They still pay taxes but not directly to the town who gets it back from the county. That is because their has so little value that it is not worth the money to operate two collection agencies.

    The "no taxes claim" by the voters for wind is more of their self serving bullshit.

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  23. It seems most of the leaseholders will say almost anything. Isn't that obvious to everyone by now? Desperation is a powerful force.

    I wonder if Darrel Aubertine will be submitting a comment to the PSC.

    What a disgrace.

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  24. I doubt Darrell will send a comment to the PSC.

    But what will be made known in all this is that when a state siting board considers an application for a Cape Article X project, it will be pointed out that Cape Vincent is under AG investigation, no resolution of the tat investigation has even been made and Aubertine was instrumental in encouraging the wind lease holding town board members to vote and make decisions on wind matters that serve their own financial interest and those of extending family. Extended family being Orvis.

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  25. May I use Jefferson's Leaning Left material for a research paper?

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  26. Yes, including graphics.

    But please site the same sources that I gave credit to.

    You can email me at JLeaningLeft@me.com.

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  27. Lunch hour gang5/10/12, 12:01 PM

    In regards to the Draft Rules of New York State Article X siting.

    The people of Cape Vincent, NY should understand that,

    One rule set forth makes it clear that any person from any community selected as an ad hoc member of a siting board must have no connection to the developer-applicant in any way. Personal, family, business or otherwise.

    Nor can be the town officials who select those local representatives.

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  28. "Sounds of nature"

    More like the sound of a factory. Or a jet plan that never goes away.

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  29. Lunch hour gang5/10/12, 12:18 PM

    "Extended family being Orvis."

    Orvis is not a wind lease holder and has no financial conflict.

    He is a wind supporter and a member of Darrel Aubertine's extended family and certainly he has a right to his position and his opinion.

    It is disturbing that when he voted for the illegal act he was violating his oath to support the fed and state constitution.

    Thank Orvis for preventing the town from facing a very serious 1963 Voter Act violation by changing his vote.

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  30. Its the one smart thing Orvis has done in six years.

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  31. SHEIK of GINCHVILLE5/11/12, 10:35 AM

    "I support wind because I believe in being in one with nature."
    Don't you care a little about the money you stand to get Bob?

    That's the best one I've heard yet!

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  32. "The gentle sound of water on the shoreline" Straight from the developer's playbook. This is the exact comparison an Iberdrola salesman used in defending windmill noise to me. Sounds of nature??? I don't think so. A thunderstorm that never ends might be a better way of describing wind noise.

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  33. "The gentle sound of water on the shoreline" Straight from the developer's playbook. This is the exact comparison an Iberdrola salesman used in defending windmill noise to me. Sounds of nature??? I don't think so. A thunderstorm that never ends might be a better way of describing wind noise.

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  34. Article X rules do not go far enough. We need wind.
    Why does the state and the companies have to pay these farmers for something we need so bad. Even the farmers say they are a good thing and don't bother anyone and they don't take up no room on the land.

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